tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9189930829940284211.post3316271723932088017..comments2023-09-18T09:55:35.795-04:00Comments on China in Africa: The Real Story: China in Africa: Really Rubbery NumbersDeborah Brautigamhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10813215294689392170noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9189930829940284211.post-25745197332757707222013-05-08T09:30:44.223-04:002013-05-08T09:30:44.223-04:00Hi Deborah, re topics for research re:China's ... Hi Deborah, re topics for research re:China's short-term training programs. I went to one of these sessions with some colleagues (we each went to different 3 week seminars.<br />To answer your question, its a PR exercise to expose developing countries to China (many dont really know enough about China beyond what we hear from the press and its usually poor) and to expose China to developing countries (Africa?) because many have never seen a black African live before and the reactions are mixed.<br />Also, me and my colleagues compared the content (of the different seminars we attended) and found that over all, the intro to china and chinese culture were the focus, the lessons differed but it was mostly a pr exercise, a good one albeit.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9189930829940284211.post-66752953049905606552013-04-08T10:10:38.534-04:002013-04-08T10:10:38.534-04:00Hello Deborah,I am writing an article about China&...Hello Deborah,I am writing an article about China's aid to africa,but in your book《dragon's gift》,you estimated that China's ODA to Afirca in 2007 is 1.4billion dollar, while The amount should reach almost $2.5 billion by 2009. so, in 2009, Is the ODA figure in accordance with your estimate?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01403567824300742026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9189930829940284211.post-78887223544422049252013-04-05T21:09:38.919-04:002013-04-05T21:09:38.919-04:00Hah, The more fierce the debate the clearer the tr...Hah, The more fierce the debate the clearer the truth. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14006486359765591184noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9189930829940284211.post-75073968700012884722013-04-02T12:56:14.966-04:002013-04-02T12:56:14.966-04:00@AC -- I do hope you are not really Anthony Desir,...@AC -- I do hope you are not really Anthony Desir, the source of the numbers provided to the reporter. But whoever you are, your figure of $18 billion lost in Libya is an excellent example of the kind of mistakes people often make when they aren't careful. As I have written in a series of posts on China and Libya, there was very little Chinese OFDI in Libya. See, for example,<br />http://www.chinaafricarealstory.com/search?q=libya<br />and<br />http://www.chinaafricarealstory.com/2011/08/china-libya-and-oil-update.html<br />Yes, some Chinese firms had exploration concessions, but none were producing oil. CNOOC and CRCC had very large pipeline construction, railway, and other infrastructure projects that were commissioned (and paid) by others -- mainly the Libyan government. That's where the $18 billion figure came from. It was not capital investment, but the value of contracts. Thanks for the nice comments on my hair. Deborah Brautigamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03141925702416939602noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9189930829940284211.post-38151213839852659072013-04-02T05:15:58.952-04:002013-04-02T05:15:58.952-04:00Are you hoping to divert attention from another ba...Are you hoping to divert attention from another bad hair day? I provided the numbers ($220b) to the reporter-- with the unpublished comment that at least 30% and as much as 40% of Africa's continental assets are listed outside of Africa then redomiciled according to the host markets ( LME, AIM, TSX, ASX) Etc.). If you are not too lazy check TSX, for example. Our figures include China's oil and gas investments which presently make up about 70% of the figures. They include some known investment under $100m which are in fact a larger part of resource investments than the >$100m figures used in the Heritage Tracker. Please wake up and call in a stylist: there are actually people outside the US, and outside US "think tanks" who also keep track of this information and know what is going on. We have been running our numbers for 6 years. We do not suggest that data from China is correct -- far from it; we know they fudge the numbers-- but bellowing like a hysterical banshee may impress a few ignorant "followers" and lazy grad students. It does not impress people who know how to count. CNOOC and CRCC lost (combined) $18b in Libya during the uprising, as a further example. By your statement they lost about 30% of their entire capital investment in one market alone? Make silly comments if you feel like it, but why not take a math class before you do?AChttp://www.china-africafunds.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9189930829940284211.post-57476092350662471202013-04-02T04:56:58.290-04:002013-04-02T04:56:58.290-04:00Please provide your contact information if you wan...Please provide your contact information if you want the correct data feeds on China investments. I hate arrogant people posing as "professors". Also get off your backside and start looking at China's oil investments in Africa (exploration related rather than market deals, you will soon discover that the numbers are well above the bubble. I profess no love for China's methods, but I positively hate sanctimonious chest thumping by people who do not understand what they are criticizing. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com